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Wednesday 22 June 2011

Re: Bls: [wanita-muslimah] Re: America: Still No. 1 in Direct Foreign Investment

Sudah baca laporannya oakland institute belum bang?
Kayaknya belun deh.. argumentasinya dangkal sekali..

Coba baca dulu deh laporannya.. kalo mungkin terlalu berat.. di CNN juga ada reportnya.
Tidak semua perjanjian diatas kertas itu transparan dan tidak semua perjanjian yang transparan menjadikan sesuatu menjadi win-win solusion
Dan tidak semua perjanjian transparan yang win-win solusion secara ethics bisa diterima. Termasuk land swap yang dilakukan di Afrika selatan tersebut.

:D
PS; dari pada ribut tentang personal attack dan cara berdiskusi lawan, mending bang Dul luangkan waktu untuk lebih banyak baca referensi biar argumentasinya lebih menghunjam pemikiran lawan diskusinya dan pemberikan pencerahan bagi warga WM ini. Kalau tidak mereka hanya membuang2 waktu saja membaca tulisan tentang personal atack dan pembicaraan muter-muter. buang2 waktu itu mubazir dan mubazir perbuatan yang tidak disukai Allah

On Jun 22, 2011, at 2:16 PM, abdul wrote:

> Dwi Soegardi=============bismilahirahmanirrahiim
>
> Mestinya begini Chojiim seperti Dwi ini,yaitu
> membeicarakan masalah2 atau macam2 INVESTMENT
> bukan lari atau mutar2 kpd yang lain2..
>
> Begini ap yg saya lihat dan amati tuduhan2 bahwa
> itu adalah Neo-Kolonialisme?.dgn kata lain mengusasi
> daerah orang lain yang lemah ekonominya dgn cara2
> atau pratek2 yang dirasakan tidak FAIR..
>
> Seperti Freeport di Indonesia,dimana HTI sering menuduh
> Amerika mengexplotasi kekayaan RI .dimana RI mendapat
> bagian tidak seimbang, keterlaluan.misalnya Amerika 95%
> dan RI 5 % (kira2). Ini adalah kontrak yg tidak adil atau
> Neo-Kolonialisme?
>
> Ini ditudah oleh pihak2 anti Amerika, umumnya klompok2
> Komunis dan Islam Extrems. Klompok2 inilah yg membuat
> Provokasi2 baik di Amerika,maupun di negara2 lain2nya.
>
> Kalau kita lihat dari klompok2 Intelektual Moderat yg
> umumnya mengusai pemerintahanmelihat dari sudut pandangan
> WIn-WIN Solution...yaitu mebuat perjanjian transparant dan
> di buat Survey dan visibility projek2 yg akan di olah
>
> Untuk mencari rasa keadilan itu sebaiknya dibawakan kpd
> diri sendiri,itu lebih mudah melihatnya.
>
> Misalnya DWI mempunyai sebidang tanah di daerah.
> Karena dwi tidak mempunyai Modal, dan tidak pula mengerti
> berbisines atau mengolah tanah itu menjadi tanah yang
> produktif,sedangkan DWI memerlukan uang yg cukup banyak
> utk biaya anak2 sekolah dan keluarga.Maka dwi mencari
> orang2 yg bisa diajak kerja sama.
>
> Apakah DWI akan mengharapkan pembagian yang sama dgn
> pemilik modal dan technologi? tidak bukan?
>
> Sipemilik modal, mempunayi RESIKO BESAR menanam modalnya
> kalau terjadi bencana alam yg tdk diharapkan,maka habislah
> modalnya semua di tanah DWI itu.Sedangkan DWI tidak rugi.
>
> Kesimpulan.Pembagian hasil dari INVESMENT itu tidak bisa sama
> sangat tergantung dgn RESIKO.
>
> Kalau resiko besar,maka Investor akan mendapat bagian yg besar pula.
>
> Itulah yg terjadi di negara2 berkembang,dimana mereka
> lemah ekonomi dan technologi.
>
> Jadi bukan EXPLOTASI negara2 berkembang.sesungguhnya win wiwn solution
> sama sama memberikan faedah kepada pemilik tambang dan Modal.
>
> Semoga sdr Chojim dapat mengikiti cara berdisksi sdr DWI
> yg tdk mutar2 dan lari2 seperti HMNA yang lari..kmd muncul lagi.
>
> Demikian dulu
> Salam
>
> --- In wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com, <soegardi@...> wrote:
> >
> > Baru selesai dengar acara radio/podcast DemocracyNow!
> > edisi hari Senin, tentang universitas2 beken di Amrik
> > seperti Harvard, Vanderbilt, Spelman, ...
> > berlomba-lomba beli tanah di Afrika, berinvestasi
> > ala sistem tanam paksa,
> > dengan return yang sampai setinggi 20-40%.
> >
> > http://www.democracynow.org/2011/6/20/harvard_vanderbuilt_spelman_exposed_for_taking
> > Harvard, Vanderbilt, Spelman Exposed for Taking Part in "African Land Grab"
> >
> > A new report raises questions about the connection of Harvard,
> > Vanderbilt and other U.S. universities to European financial interests
> > buying or leasing vast areas of African farmland. Called
> > "Understanding Land Investment Deals in Africa," the report by the
> > Oakland Institute claims farmers in Africa are being driven off their
> > lands to make way for new industrial farming projects backed by hedge
> > funds seeking profits and foreign countries looking for cheap food. We
> > speak with Anuradha Mittal, the executive director of the Oakland
> > Institute. "We have heard about the role of these private hedge funds
> > in food speculation and speculation of food prices, because they
> > control commodities" says Mittal. "But when they start buying even the
> > means of production -- they control labor, they control large tracts of
> > land, they control water, they dictate what is grown and how it is
> > grown -- it is the kind of vertical integration of a food system that
> > we have never seen before."
> >
> > Inikah Neo-Kolonialisme?
> >
> > salam,
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 10:15 PM, <aldiy@...> wrote:
> > > Abah dan Abdul makin banyak keliatan persamaannya...bungkusnya doang beda...
> > > Salam
> > > Mia
> > > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Sinyal Bagus XL, Nyambung Teruuusss...!
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Abdul Muiz <muizof@...>
> > > Sender: wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 23:31:18
> > > To: wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com<wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Reply-To: wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Bls: [wanita-muslimah] Re: America: Still No. 1 in Direct Foreign Investment
> > >
> > > lebih tepatnya pakai jurus dewa mabuk, mblakrak gak karuan, mungkin kebekan ilmu, jadi meluber gak jelas juntrungnya, he he he
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > Dari: donnie damana <donnie.damana@...>
> > > Kepada: wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com
> > > Dikirim: Selasa, 21 Juni 2011 21:12
> > > Judul: Re: [wanita-muslimah] Re: America: Still No. 1 in Direct Foreign Investment
> > >
> > > Iya pak Chojim... ternyata ilmu ngelesnya lebih tinggi dari abah hihiihiihii....
> > >
> > > :D
> > >
> > > On Jun 21, 2011, at 3:09 PM, chodjim wrote:
> > >
> > >> Apa nggak benar-benar Ampyuun. Mas Donnie. Lha, tak ada ajakan diskusi
> > >> "investment" dan hanya disisipkan di bagian bawah setelah memberikan
> > >> jawaban, koq bilang topiknya "investment".
> > >>
> > >> Wassalam,
> > >>
> > >> chodjim
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "donnie damana" <donnie.damana@...>
> > >> To: <wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com>
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 8:03 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: [wanita-muslimah] Re: America: Still No. 1 in Direct Foreign
> > >> Investment
> > >>
> > >> > Ampyuun DJ... ajeb.. ajeb.. ajeb.. ajeb...
> > >> >
> > >> > sorry satu barisan.. makin pusing soalnya :(
> > >> >
> > >> > :D
> > >> >
> > >> > On Jun 21, 2011, at 2:59 PM, abdul wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> chodjim"--------------siii. topiknya adalah --INVESTMEN---
> > >> >>
> > >> >> itulah yg kita diskusikan...bukan antek2,underbow,bukan pak Harto..
> > >> >> dsb......
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Buktikan nyata anda mulai lagi muter2 ...kearah yang lain..
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Issue topik ini adalah investment dan ekonomi Amerika.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> salam
> > >> >>
> > >> >> --- In wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com, " <chodjima@> wrote:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Weleh, weleh... Cak Dul, Cak Dul.... saudara itu koq seperti antek orba
> > >> >> > dulu di zaman Pak Harto. Cak Dul itu kalau ada yang mengritik Cak Dul,
> > >> >> > lalu dianggap memusuhi Cak Dul, persis seperti orang yang mengritik Pak
> > >> >> > Harto langsung diciduk.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Mbok yang intelek, gitu... Saya bekerja di perusahaan Amerika, tetapi
> > >> >> > tidak berarti saya harus tutup mata terhadap kekurangan Amerika, gitu
> > >> >> > lho.... Begitu saya anggap Cak Dul itu antek Amerika, tapi menolak
> > >> >> > tidak mau disebut antek Amerika dan minta disebut berpihak pada
> > >> >> > Amerika. Lha, warga USA sendiri protes koq terhadap Presidennya ketika
> > >> >> > terjadi perang Vietnam.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Jadi, kalau saya presiden Amerika, ya sudah pasti dalam hubungan
> > >> >> > internasional Indonesia tetap bersahabat dengan Amerika. Tetapi,
> > >> >> > bersahabat tidak berarti menjadi "onderbouw" USA, begitu lho.
> > >> >> > Bersahabat itu dalam tataran kesetaraan.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > chodjim
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> > >> >> > From: abdul
> > >> >> > To: wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com
> > >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 7:28 PM
> > >> >> > Subject: [wanita-muslimah] America: Still No. 1 in Direct Foreign
> > >> >> > Investment
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Sdr Chojiim-------Anda boleh mengeluarkan unak2 anda di thread
> > >> >> > Amerika ini. Ternyata masarakat International masih mempercayai
> > >> >> > temapt yg terbaik utk INVESTMENT..membuka lapangan kerja utk
> > >> >> > pemuda2nya.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > ALLAH bless America and American..
> > >> >> > American is Christian, Muslim, Jew,Budha,Hindu and atheis
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > American is White people, Black people, Yellow people etc
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > American is Indian, Indonesian,Maxican, Japaness,Chiness,etc.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Other country attack America,it means they attack Muslim, Jews,Hindu
> > >> >> > etc.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > America is a real Bhineka Tunggal Ika Country,Liberty with justice for
> > >> >> > all and non discrimination based on race,origine
> > >> >> > nationality,gender,religion,age,disability, pregnant etc.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > It is really cool,ALLAH bless America and Indonesia too.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > salam
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > America is open for business and the world wants to do business here.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > That's the combined message of a statement today by President Obama and
> > >> >> > the results of a study released in tandem by the President's Council of
> > >> >> > Economic Advisers (CEA).
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > "My Administration is committed to ensuring that the United States
> > >> >> > continues to be the most attractive place for businesses to locate,
> > >> >> > invest, grow, and create jobs," President Obama said in a statement.
> > >> >> > "We encourage and support business investment from sources both at home
> > >> >> > and abroad."
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Although the OECD ranks America a slightly above the global average for
> > >> >> > "openness" toward foreign investment, America "remains the most
> > >> >> > competitive and most desirable place for investment in the world,"
> > >> >> > Austan Goolsbee, chair of the CEA, tells The Daily Ticker.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Goolsbee says that claim is based on both surveys of foreign businesses
> > >> >> > and where they actually invest their money.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > "Pretty much by any measure, and by factor of three, people are saying
> > >> >> > the U.S. is where they want to invest," Goolsbee say.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Among the highlights of the CEA survey:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > At $3.1 trillion in 2009, the U.S. received the most foreign direct
> > >> >> > investment (FDI) of any country in the world. America's tally was three
> > >> >> > times that of France or the U.K. and more-than six times the FDI in
> > >> >> > China.
> > >> >> > Foreign firms like Siemens and Toyota employed 5.7 million U.S. workers
> > >> >> > in 2009, accounting for 5% of the U.S. private workforce and, with over
> > >> >> > 2 million workers, about 13% of the U.S. manufacturing sector.
> > >> >> > Foreign firms account for more than 18% of total U.S. merchandise
> > >> >> > exports and, at $40.5 billion, over 14% of total U.S. private
> > >> >> > investment in research and development.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Citing initiatives such as the SelectUSA program, Gooslbee says the
> > >> >> > Obama Administration has been and will continue to pursue policies
> > >> >> > designed to lure additional foreign funds, including reforming the
> > >> >> > corporate tax code.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > "We've got to make clear to the world: The U.S. is open for business,"
> > >> >> > he says. "If you want to come here, employ U.S. workers, pay 'em a good
> > >> >> > wage and build stuff in America, we're open to it."
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
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