Re: [wanita-muslimah] Re: Perang, Damai, dan Perempuan

masak seh, ....
coba suruh aja nonton bareng-bareng film Bollywood,
pasti akur deh :-)
(habis nonton berantem lagi ..... hehe)

tapi saya rasa karakter ini bukan monopoli orang Asia Selatan saja.
orang Indonesia dulu katanya damai, ramah-tamah, bersatu, bhinneka tunggal
ika, ....
katanya Persatuan Indonesia itu karena "senasib seperjuangan" .....
sekarang?
mungkin karena "sama-sama berjuang, nasib kok beda-beda?"

ingat Yugoslavia dulu bersatu meskipun bentuknya kayak mozaic gitu,
eh ternyata berantakan
setelah faktor "perekat" itu hilang, yaitu diktator Tito.

sekarang yang tampak bersatu itu Uni Eropa
apa faktor perekatnya?
apakah hal yang semu seperti diktator, senasib seperjuangan, atau apa?

atau bagi kalangan nostalgik,
faktor pemersatu itu Islam seperti jamannya khilafah,
yang ngga jelas entah kapan ada khilafah yang mempersatukan,
lha wong sejak awal selalu ada kepemimpinan tandingan.

On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Abdul Muiz <muizof@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> karakter orang asia selatan : India, pakistan, srilangka, bangladeh, nepal
> termasuk afghanistan itu sepertinya keras dan antar kelompok tidak pernah
> akur, mungkin kayak orang Indonesia ya ? any comments ??
>
> --- Pada Ming, 3/10/10, kmjp47@indosat.net.id <kmjp47%40indosat.net.id> <
> kmjp47@indosat.net.id <kmjp47%40indosat.net.id>> menulis:
>
> Dari: kmjp47@indosat.net.id <kmjp47%40indosat.net.id> <
> kmjp47@indosat.net.id <kmjp47%40indosat.net.id>>
> Judul: Re: [wanita-muslimah] Re: Perang, Damai, dan Perempuan
> Kepada: wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com<wanita-muslimah%40yahoogroups.com>
> Tanggal: Minggu, 3 Oktober, 2010, 7:54 AM
>
>
>
>
> Begitu simpel? Apakah kalau Taliban kembali menguasai
>
> Afganistan nasib perempuan di san akan jadilebih bagus?
>
> Biarkan Afgan mengatur dirinya sendiri, tetapi Afgan yang
>
> mana? Sepanjang yang menentukan kaum laki-laki, nasib
>
> perempuan ya akan sama saja. Itu inti dari keluhan Ann
>
> Jones.
>
> KM
>
> ----Original Message----
>
> From: linadahlan@yahoo.com <linadahlan%40yahoo.com>
>
> Date: 03/10/2010 7:43
>
> To: <wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com <wanita-muslimah%40yahoogroups.com>>
>
> Subj: [wanita-muslimah] Re: Perang, Damai, dan Perempuan
>
> Tentara Koalisinya cabut ajah dari Afghan dan biarkan
>
> Afghan mengatur dirinya sendiri. Ntu kalo Ann Jones peduli
>
> ama nasib pere di sana. Dimane-mane juga yang lemah yang
>
> jadi korban.
>
> http://www.antaranews.com/berita/1280125033/dokumen-
>
> rahasia-perang-afghanistan-bocor
>
> wassalam,
>
> --- In wanita-muslimah@yahoogroups.com <wanita-muslimah%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Dwi Soegardi
>
> <soegardi@...> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Wawancara dalam acara tv Democracy Now! dengan Ann
>
> Jones, jurnalis
>
> > yang meliput perang Afghanistan sejak 2001:
>
> >
>
> > ...... war is a guy thing. Men fight with each other.
>
> Then they sit
>
> > down at the table, negotiate some kind of power sharing
>
> agreement, and
>
> > go on jockeying for that power relationship as they rule
>
> the country.
>
> > But all the while, they go on raping, murdering,
>
> displacing women and
>
> > children, so that when men end war and say, "Now we have
>
> peace," war
>
> > is not over for women. The war against women goes on, to
>
> such an
>
> > extent that today, if you look at the demographics, we
>
> are short 60
>
> > million women in this world who have been killed and
>
> lost in war. (Ann
>
> > Jones, "War Is Not Over When It's Over: Women Speak Out
>
> from the Ruins
>
> > of War.")
>
> >
>
> > Working with the International Rescue Committee, we gave
>
> digital
>
> > cameras to women and asked them to photograph the
>
> blessings and the
>
> > problems in their lives. It was really a project to
>
> encourage them to
>
> > begin to articulate their own situation and speak up in
>
> their own
>
> > villages and communities on behalf of their own
>
> interests. And the
>
> > women were amazing. They did fantastic work. They spoke
>
> up very loudly
>
> > in their own interests.
>
> >
>
> > And what they gave us, really, was blueprints for peace.
>
> What they
>
> > addressed were the problems of getting safe water,
>
> getting safe access
>
> > to their fields to work, getting education for their
>
> children, getting
>
> > healthcare, getting places for community members to
>
> meet. In other
>
> > words, the women are concerned about the future of their
>
> families and
>
> > their communities living a peaceful life. And this, it
>
> seemed to me,
>
> > was such important support for what the UN has been
>
> saying for a
>
> > decade now, that you will not get durable peace anywhere
>
> in the world
>
> > in the aftermath of conflict unless women are involved
>
> every step of
>
> > the way. And that's exactly what we are not seeing in
>
> Afghanistan
>
> > today.
>
> > (Ann Jones, "War Is Not Over When It's Over: Women Speak
>
> Out from the
>
> > Ruins of War.")
>
> >
>
> > Dua hal tentang perang (dalam kasus ini perang
>
> Afghanistan)
>
> > 1. laki-laki berperang, perempuan jadi korban. Ketika
>
> laki-laki
>
> > berhenti bertikai dan duduk di meja perundingan,
>
> > perang terhadap perempuan tidak ikut berakhir.
>
> Penderitaan mereka
>
> > berlanjut dan mereka tidak pernah diajak untuk
>
> mengupayakan
>
> > perdamaian.
>
> >
>
> > 2. ketika perempuan diberi kesempatan untuk bertindak,
>
> mereka
>
> > melakukan hal-hal luar biasa:
>
> > - pengadaan air bersih, pembuatan jalan ke sawah/ladang,
>
> pendidikan
>
> > anak, kesehatan, hingga sarana untuk pertemuan
>
> masyarakat ........
>
> >
>
> > Masihkah soal Perang dan Damai dipercayakan kepada laki-
>
> laki?
>
> >
>
> > Baca lengkapnya (atau lihat videonya) di
>
> > http://www.democracynow.
>
> org/2010/9/30/ann_jones_on_war_is_not
>
> >
>
> > Ann Jones on "War Is Not Over When It's Over: Women and
>
> the Unseen
>
> > Consequences of Conflict"
>
> >
>
> > Ann Jones has spent much of the past nine years in
>
> Afghanistan working
>
> > as a journalist, photographer and humanitarian aid
>
> worker. She has
>
> > focused largely on the impact the war has had on the
>
> women of
>
> > Afghanistan. Her new book is War Is Not Over When It's
>
> Over: Women and
>
> > the Unseen Consequences of Conflict. [includes rush
>
> transcript]
>
> >
>
> > Filed under Afghanistan
>
> >
>
> > Guest:
>
> >
>
> > Ann Jones, writer and photographer. Her new book is
>
> titled War Is Not
>
> > Over When It's Over: Women Speak Out from the Ruins of
>
> War.
>
> >
>
> > JUAN GONZALEZ: In Afghanistan, President Hamid Karzai
>
> has unveiled a
>
> > seventy-member peace council that the Afghan government
>
> and the Obama
>
> > administration hope will broach talks with the Taliban.
>
> But human
>
> > rights groups have criticized Karzai for including
>
> former warlords,
>
> > suspected drug traffickers, and Taliban fighters on the
>
> commission.
>
> > Rachel Reid of Human Rights Watch said, quote, "Many of
>
> these men are
>
> > unlikely peacemakers. There are too many names here that
>
> Afghans will
>
> > associate with war crimes, warlordism and corruption."
>
> > McClatchy Newspapers reports members of the so-called
>
> peace council
>
> > include Abdul Rab Rasul Sayyaf, who's been implicated in
>
> the deaths of
>
> > thousands of civilians. Another peace council member is
>
> Maulvi
>
> > Qalamuddin, a former Taliban deputy minister who oversaw
>
> the closure
>
> > of girls' schools and the flogging of women who failed
>
> to cover
>
> > themselves in a burqa.
>
> >
>
> > AMY GOODMAN: Human rights groups have also questioned
>
> why more Afghan
>
> > women have not been named to the council. Of the seventy
>
> members, just
>
> > six are women.
>
> > Our first guest today, Ann Jones, has spent much of the
>
> past nine
>
> > years in Afghanistan working as a journalist,
>
> photographer and
>
> > humanitarian aid worker. She's focused largely on the
>
> impact the war
>
> > has had on the women of Afghanistan. In 2006, Ann Jones
>
> wrote the book
>
> > Kabul in Winter: Life Without Peace in Afghanistan. Her
>
> new book is
>
> > called War Is Not Over When It's Over: Women and the
>
> Unseen
>
> > Consequences of Conflict. It's just been published.
>
> > We welcome you to Democracy Now!, Ann Jones.
>
> >
>
> > ANN JONES: Thank you.
>
> >
>
> > AMY GOODMAN: Ann, first start by talking about what you
>
> last saw in
>
> > Afghanistan when you were thereyou're embedded in
>
> Afghan communities,
>
> > you're embedded in the US troopsand this latest news of
>
> the so-called
>
> > peace council that President Karzai has established.
>
> >
>
> > ANN JONES: Well, I think it's typical of what has
>
> happened, from the
>
> > beginning, in the exclusion of women. Women have fought
>
> very valiantly
>
> > to be included in peace processes, and they have gone
>
> repeatedly to
>
> > Karzai. And he has made promises over and over again,
>
> but he's always
>
> > reneged on his promises to include them in various
>
> councils. He has
>
> > been instrumental in implementing legislation that
>
> really deprives
>
> > women of rights that they are guaranteed under the
>
> constitution. And
>
> > to have six women on this council is just another, you
>
> know, finger
>
> > poke in the eye. It's a complete incident of tokenism.
>
> And to have
>
> > someone like Sayyaf on the council, who, as head of the
>
> Wolesi Jurga,
>
> > the lower house of the Parliament, is one of the chief
>
> intimidators of
>
> > women, is a complete insult to women.
>
> >
>
> > JUAN GONZALEZ: Well, one of the things that you've
>
> mentioned in some
>
> > of your writings, you said in one article, "Our
>
> government complains
>
> > that the Karzai administration is corrupt, but the
>
> greater
>
> > problemnever mentionedis that it is fundamentalist.
>
> The cabinet,
>
> > courts and Parliament are all largely controlled by men
>
> who differ
>
> > from the Taliban chiefly in their choice of turbans."
>
> >
>
> > ANN JONES: Yes, that's exactly right. And, of course,
>
> these are the
>
> > men that the United States put in power at the Bonn
>
> conference. They
>
> > were our allies all through that proxy war against the
>
> Soviets. Our
>
> > thinking in those old days was that any devout religious
>
> people must
>
> > be good allies in the fight against what we used to call
>
> "godless
>
> > communism." So we allied ourselves with completely the
>
> wrong people,
>
> > and we've stuck with them all the way through. And we
>
> installed them
>
> > as the government that we now support. And it partlyI
>
> think it
>
> > largely explains the bind that we're in now, because
>
> we're supporting
>
> > a government that actually stands in opposition to many
>
> of the
>
> > principles we pretend to be supporting.
>
> >
>
> > JUAN GONZALEZ: And what is the impact of this at the
>
> village or town
>
> > level amongon the Afghan people, in the coverage that
>
> you've done
>
> > over the last few years?
>
> >
>
> > ANN JONES: Well, in fact, change has not reached most of
>
> the villages,
>
> > and the Karzai government does not extend much outside
>
> the capital.
>
> > So, what is felt in outlying areas is more the impact of
>
> the presence
>
> > of foreign troops in many parts of the country. And as
>
> you know,
>
> > thousands upon thousands have been displaced and are
>
> living as
>
> > internal refugees.
>
> >
>
> > AMY GOODMAN: Your experience embedded in the troops in
>
> Afghanistan,
>
> > what it was like?
>
> >
>
> > ANN JONES: I was embedded in thein Kunar province on
>
> the Pakistan
>
> > border, the area in which so much trouble is occurring
>
> today and in
>
> > the last few days. And at that time, probably the most
>
> important thing
>
> > I learned from the commander was that he was not
>
> fighting a war of
>
> > counterinsurgency, as we say we are doing. He was
>
> fighting
>
> > conventional war, because he was being hit by a
>
> surprising force
>
> > coming over from Pakistan. He had served on that border
>
> six years ago
>
> > and never expected to face the kind of opposition he was
>
> facing last
>
> > summer. He had lost many men in the first weeks that he
>
> was there.
>
> > Meanwhile, all the public policy and press attention was
>
> on the south,
>
> > on Kandahar, where the US was organizing for this great
>
> push. And the
>
> > east was totally neglected. And as we see now, that's
>
> where this
>
> > problem is growing.
>
> >
>
> > JUAN GONZALEZ: And in your new book, War Is Not Over
>
> When It's Over,
>
> > what do you mean in terms of the title and what you
>
> attempted to tell
>
> > in terms of various wars that the United States has been
>
> involved in?
>
> >
>
> > ANN JONES: What I'm trying to suggest is that war is not
>
> what we think
>
> > it is, when we hear all these reports about soldiers and
>
> generals and
>
> > strategies. War includes the whole population. War is
>
> fought on
>
> > civilian ground. And in all modern wars, civilians are
>
> the primary
>
> > casualties of war, much more so than soldiers. And we
>
> ignore that
>
> > completely.
>
> > Also, war is a guy thing. Men fight with each other.
>
> Then they sit
>
> > down at the table, negotiate some kind of power sharing
>
> agreement, and
>
> > go on jockeying for that power relationship as they rule
>
> the country.
>
> > But all the while, they go on raping, murdering,
>
> displacing women and
>
> > children, so that when men end war and say, "Now we have
>
> peace," war
>
> > is not over for women. The war against women goes on, to
>
> such an
>
> > extent that today, if you look at the demographics, we
>
> are short 60
>
> > million women in this world who have been killed and
>
> lost in war.
>
> >
>
> > AMY GOODMAN: Give us examples in the different places
>
> you have covered.
>
> >
>
> > ANN JONES: Well, for example, the Congo, which is very
>
> much in the
>
> > news now, where mass rape has been used as a technique
>
> of war for
>
> > years now, for a decade or more. And thousands of women
>
> are raped over
>
> > and over again, gang raped, not merely to persecute the
>
> women, but to
>
> > disrupt families, to disrupt villages, to displace whole
>
> populations,
>
> > so that the men who are running the war have free access
>
> to the
>
> > natural resources, the stuff that goes into our cell
>
> phones and
>
> > computers, and that pays for their wars. So women pay
>
> the highest
>
> > price in that war.
>
> >
>
> > JUAN GONZALEZ: I'd like to ask you about one woman that
>
> became the
>
> > front page of Time magazine in August, Bibi Aisha, the
>
> young Afghan
>
> > woman who was pictured, her face mutilated, with the
>
> headline "What
>
> > Happens if We Leave Afghanistan." You've been
>
> particularly critical of
>
> > that story and how the media have manipulated it. Could
>
> you talk about
>
> > that?
>
> >
>
> > ANN JONES: I was very concerned about the exploitation
>
> of that
>
> > personal family tragedy in order to make a case for
>
> keeping American
>
> > troops in Afghanistan and continuing this war, in which
>
> so many
>
> > Afghans have suffered. Bibi Aisha's case was not
>
> uncommon. Her
>
> > particular mutilation has been her nose and ears being
>
> cut off. There
>
> > are four cases of it reported this year by the Afghan
>
> Independent
>
> > Human Rights Commission. This, after Americans have been
>
> protecting
>
> > Afghan women for eight or nine years in Afghanistan.
>
> This happens to
>
> > be the way some Pashtun families treat women in order to
>
> keep them in
>
> > servitude to the family. We are not going to change that
>
> by the
>
> > presence of troops, and we're not going to stop it by
>
> the presence of
>
> > troops.
>
> >
>
> > AMY GOODMAN: Can you tell us her story, though, and how
>
> you feel it
>
> > was misrepresented, in being on the cover, Time's case
>
> for why the US
>
> > is there?
>
> >
>
> > ANN JONES: Mm-hmm. Bibi Aisha ran away from her parents-
>
> in-law's
>
> > house. Her husband was absent elsewhere in doing some
>
> kind of work or
>
> > looking for work. She was treated as a servant and
>
> physically abused
>
> > all the time. She ran away. Her father-in-law caught up
>
> with her and
>
> > did this mutilation. The Time story amplifies that,
>
> saying it was done
>
> > under orders by Taliban commanders and so on. That is
>
> not the story I
>
> > heard from Bibi Aisha when I talked with her. But
>
> >
>
> > JUAN GONZALEZ: And you spoke to her before this Time
>
> story had ever come out.
>
> >
>
> > ANN JONES: I spoke to her several weeks before, and
>
> other journalists
>
> > have spoken to her, as well, and have reported the
>
> mutilation, but not
>
> > this supposed instruction of the Taliban to do this. So
>
> I think the
>
> > story changed in some way. How that happened, I don't
>
> know. This young
>
> > woman was deeply traumatized, and we know that people in
>
> that
>
> > circumstance have selective memory or repressed memory,
>
> and maybe it
>
> > changed later. I don't know. But my quarrel is with the
>
> news media
>
> > that took that personal tragedy and used it for this
>
> political
>
> > manipulation. And even the story in that issue of Time
>
> about what's
>
> > going on in Afghanistan today was much more nuanced and
>
> was warning
>
> > against the possibility of women being sold out in
>
> negotiations with
>
> > the Taliban. That is a very real concern that we need to
>
> be
>
> > addressing, and that was completely ignored in the
>
> attention paid to
>
> > this particular horrifying photo.
>
> >
>
> > AMY GOODMAN: We're talking to Ann Jones. She has a new
>
> book; it's
>
> > called War Is Not Over When It's Over: Women Speak Out
>
> from the Ruins
>
> > of War. Can you talk about your camera project, giving
>
> cameras to
>
> > women to document war and the effects of it on their
>
> lives?
>
> >
>
> > ANN JONES: Yes. Working with the International Rescue
>
> Committee, we
>
> > gave digital cameras to women and asked them to
>
> photograph the
>
> > blessings and the problems in their lives. It was really
>
> a project to
>
> > encourage them to begin to articulate their own
>
> situation and speak up
>
> > in their own villages and communities on behalf of their
>
> own
>
> > interests. And the women were amazing. They did
>
> fantastic work. They
>
> > spoke up very loudly in their own interests.
>
> > And what they gave us, really, was blueprints for peace.
>
> What they
>
> > addressed were the problems of getting safe water,
>
> getting safe access
>
> > to their fields to work, getting education for their
>
> children, getting
>
> > healthcare, getting places for community members to
>
> meet. In other
>
> > words, the women are concerned about the future of their
>
> families and
>
> > their communities living a peaceful life. And this, it
>
> seemed to me,
>
> > was such important support for what the UN has been
>
> saying for a
>
> > decade now, that you will not get durable peace anywhere
>
> in the world
>
> > in the aftermath of conflict unless women are involved
>
> every step of
>
> > the way. And that's exactly what we are not seeing in
>
> Afghanistan
>
> > today.
>
> >
>
> > JUAN GONZALEZ: Well, you've been going back and forth
>
> now since 2002
>
> > to Afghanistan, so you've seen the war when it was
>
> George Bush's war
>
> > and now when it is Barack Obama's war. Have you seen any
>
> difference in
>
> > the way the war is being carried out on the ground?
>
> >
>
> > ANN JONES: Well, now American troops are much more
>
> involved, of
>
> > course, because, as we know, George Bush neglected the
>
> Afghan war,
>
> > busying himself elsewhere. So, American troops are much
>
> more in
>
> > evidence now, much more active, causing far more
>
> civilian casualties.
>
> > And since the Obama surge, if we can call it that, the
>
> civilian
>
> > casualties have gone up about 25 percent. Six thousand
>
> were killed
>
> > last year. The number is likely to be higher now.
>
> Thousands more have
>
> > been displaced, so that I think the civilian population
>
> is suffering
>
> > perhaps even more now than they did during the Bush
>
> years. And
>
> > certainly more and more Afghans outside the capital are
>
> saying that
>
> > conditions are worse for them now than they were before.
>
> Within the
>
> > capital, there is still an island of relative security,
>
> although it's
>
> > really a fortified city now, so that many within the
>
> city are still
>
> > arguing for the presence of American troops to protect
>
> them. But I
>
> > think when you go outside the city, you get a very
>
> different story.
>
> >
>
> > AMY GOODMAN: Ann Jones, we want to thank you very much
>
> for being with
>
> > us, writer and photographer. Her new book is called War
>
> Is Not Over
>
> > When It's Over: Women Speak Out from the Ruins of War.
>
> >
>
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>
>
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